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The Illustrious Client an introduction by D.S. Davies

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 02:19 AM

Obviously, Edward VII ... (obviously?) biggrin.gif


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Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:05 AM

It must've been quite an honour for Mr. Sherlock Holmes to be of such service to his majesty, King Edward VII, in the matter of his indiscrecetion.

I do think it quite a pity that Holmes declined a knighthood.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:49 AM

QUOTE (Shangas @ Apr 27 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It must've been quite an honour for Mr. Sherlock Holmes to be of such service to his majesty, King Edward VII, in the matter of his indiscrecetion.

I do think it quite a pity that Holmes declined a knighthood.

Sir Sherlock Holmes...whoooooh...**Feels all warm and fuzzy!!**


I still don't understand why he declined the knighthood. After all he already had the public's attention, at some point in the books.. mellow.gif
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 09:58 AM

QUOTE (Orontes @ Apr 27 2009, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still don't understand why he declined the knighthood. Afterall he already had the public's attenction, at some point in the books.. mellow.gif


Maybe because it would have made him part of 'the system'? That's my own view of it. By accpeting a knighthood, he basically puts himself at the king's command (or at any rate, the king has some kind of moral claim on him) and Holmes would no longer be entirely free to do whatever he wished.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 12:59 PM

It's worth remembering that ACD almost turned down his Knighthood. He did not want people to think that he had written his defence of the British Army in South Africa simply in order to get an honour. His family convinced him that to refuse it would be to insult the King. Interesting that he has Holmes turn down his Knighthood near the same period that he accepted his.
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 01:46 PM

And, of course, Holmes accepted the Légion d'honneur...
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE (A_Match_and_a_Cigarette @ Apr 27 2009, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And, of course, Holmes accepted the Légion d'honneur...

Of course.


I quote:
"'Murderous attack on Sherlock Holmes'. It was at this point that first episode ended and readers of the Strand had to wait another month to find out further details".

The Horror!!!





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Posted 27 April 2009 - 03:32 PM

QUOTE (Orontes @ Apr 27 2009, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I quote:
"'Murderous attack on Sherlock Holmes'. It was at this point that first episode ended and readers of the Strand had to wait another month to find out further details".

The Horror!!!


The Horror indeed! ph34r.gif Seriously, that sent chills down my own spine when I read it the first time (and that with the following part all nice and handy on the very next page... rolleyes.gif).

QUOTE (Orontes @ Apr 27 2009, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Ah, ta! wub.gif I think the base I used is actually an 1880s/90s contemporary illustration (though I can't recall which particular campaign offhand. My indexing system is disgracefully disordered at the moment).
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 03:48 PM

QUOTE (Shangas @ Apr 27 2009, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sir Sherlock Holmes...whoooooh...**Feels all warm and fuzzy!!**

*feels all warm and fuzzy with Shangas....* wub.gif
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:31 PM

QUOTE (A_Match_and_a_Cigarette @ Apr 27 2009, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Horror indeed! ph34r.gif Seriously, that sent chills down my own spine when I read it the first time (and that with the following part all nice and handy on the very next page... rolleyes.gif).


me too! ...even if the image of the "one-legged news-vender" ruined a little bit the seriousness of the moment, for me,
I don't know why... tongue.gif



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Ah, ta! wub.gif I think the base I used is actually an 1880s/90s contemporary illustration (though I can't recall which particular campaign offhand. My indexing system is disgracefully disordered at the moment).



well done.. for a moment I thought it was a Spacefall's drawing...


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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:57 PM

I have often wondered why Holmes refused a knighthood.

Could it be that to accept would have brought him more publicity than he wanted at that point in his career? There were many times that he turned down the opportunity to have his name made known. Perhaps too much fame would make him less effective in his investigations.

He might've felt he was not in need of 'booming.'
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:26 AM

By the turn of the century, Holmes's exploits, thanks to his chronicler, Watson, would have been pretty well-known to the British (and dare I say, continental and even global) public. He'd already established a name for himself as a master detective.

I think he turned down the knighthood because he didn't want to be put up on a pedestal and worshipped. He was happy with where he was and he didn't want to recieve any extra recognition for it.
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 03:29 AM



A knighthood would have put a barrier between Holmes and the humbler client who sought out his services, the perception would have been that being Sir Sherlock Holmes he would only be interested in clients of a more noble nature. For Holmes's door to remain open to all he would have to remain Sherlock Holmes.
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 03:53 AM

I always believed it to be the Edward VII.

Anyways...

The explanations about Holmes not accepting a knighthood works...but, they don't explain why he accepted the Légion d'honneur.
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 05:07 AM

Does the Legion d'honneur give the recipient the right to a rank and title?

If not, then that's probably why Holmes accepted it. To have a rank and title in front or after his name would, as Lymelight says, make it appear that Holmes was no longer interested or inaccessible to the common man who desired his services.
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE (Shangas @ Apr 28 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does the Legion d'honneur give the recipient the right to a rank and title?

If not, then that's probably why Holmes accepted it. To have a rank and title in front or after his name would, as Lymelight says, make it appear that Holmes was no longer interested or inaccessible to the common man who desired his services.


In the end this is the best explanation.

In addition he seems to think that what he does is never 'special', just a mere excercise of logic skills;
like there shouldn't be an 'award' for his job.

...But I would have accepted it biggrin.gif

AND shouldn't Watson be honoured, too? Sometimes?.. wink.gif
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 01:08 PM

QUOTE (lymelight @ Apr 28 2009, 04:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A knighthood would have put a barrier between Holmes and the humbler client who sought out his services, the perception would have been that being Sir Sherlock Holmes he would only be interested in clients of a more noble nature. For Holmes's door to remain open to all he would have to remain Sherlock Holmes.

I totally agree with you!
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 06:02 PM

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Does the Legion d'honneur give the recipient the right to a rank and title?


Even if it did in France, wouldn't it be possible to live quietly in England without being known to the public as Chevalier Holmes, or whatever?
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Posted 24 May 2009 - 08:53 PM

QUOTE (Psmith @ Apr 27 2009, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe because it would have made him part of 'the system'? That's my own view of it. By accpeting a knighthood, he basically puts himself at the king's command (or at any rate, the king has some kind of moral claim on him) and Holmes would no longer be entirely free to do whatever he wished.

GREAT OBSERVATION! If anyone needs to stand outside the system it is Sherlock Holmes!
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Posted 24 May 2009 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE (lymelight @ Apr 28 2009, 03:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A knighthood would have put a barrier between Holmes and the humbler client who sought out his services, the perception would have been that being Sir Sherlock Holmes he would only be interested in clients of a more noble nature. For Holmes's door to remain open to all he would have to remain Sherlock Holmes.

INDEED! Well said! It would have also destroyed the egalitarian appeal of the character so essential to making Sherlock Holmes a worldwide icon!
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