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I was watching some of the Granada episodes, and I noticed that the three I watched all had a common thread: the villain hides the object he has stolen in something, and then must retrieve it somehow. The stories I am referring to are "The Blue Carbuncle", "The Naval Treaty", and "The Six Napoleons". This is not to minimize Conan Doyle's abilities as a writer, but I just wondered what other commonalities there may have been in the stories (other than 100 people named Violet.)
Commonalities in stories
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Posted 29 June 2009 - 08:46 PM
Well, you have the theft or disappearance of important government documents, in "Naval Treaty," "Second Stain" and "Bruce-Partington Plans."
I guess it must have been really hard to come up with new ideas. No wonder ACD got sick of Holmes.
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I guess it must have been really hard to come up with new ideas. No wonder ACD got sick of Holmes.
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Posted 29 June 2009 - 09:57 PM
People who are supposed to be dead but aren't really:
Man with the Twisted Lip
Adventure of the Norwood Builder
and The Valley of Fear
Then, for a change, there is Shoscombe Old Place were someone really is dead but someone else pretends to be them so no one knows about it.
Maybe this is why Holmes retired so young.
Man with the Twisted Lip
Adventure of the Norwood Builder
and The Valley of Fear
Then, for a change, there is Shoscombe Old Place were someone really is dead but someone else pretends to be them so no one knows about it.
Maybe this is why Holmes retired so young.
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 06:01 AM
....and of course there are the recurring attacks of brain fever.
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 06:15 AM
QUOTE (lymelight @ Jun 30 2009, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
....and of course there are the recurring attacks of brain fever.
...and Watson admiring beautiful women.
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 01:59 AM
QUOTE (the painter @ Jul 1 2009, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And ladies writing naughty letters and getting blackmailed by them.
I wonder how naughty those letters actually were.
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 02:00 AM
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I wonder how naughty those letters actually were.
You would !!
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 06:01 AM
I agree with Adventuress.
There's only SO MUCH you can really write about, before stuff starts getting repeditive. I write stories regularly. I know how hard it can be to come up with something fresh and original every single time.
Another reccuring thingy...
Watson acting as Holmes's scout or advance-guard...
- Hound of the Baskervilles.
- Solitary Cyclist.
- Charles Augustus Milverton (Granada episode).
There's only SO MUCH you can really write about, before stuff starts getting repeditive. I write stories regularly. I know how hard it can be to come up with something fresh and original every single time.
Another reccuring thingy...
Watson acting as Holmes's scout or advance-guard...
- Hound of the Baskervilles.
- Solitary Cyclist.
- Charles Augustus Milverton (Granada episode).
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 06:46 AM
....there is much pipe smoking too. !
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 07:02 AM
And this chap called Sherlock appears in quite a few. But not all... Hardly turns up in Hound of the Baskervilles.
I love the secret document ones best. Bit of a closet spy fan I think. My favourites are always things like The Naval Treaty and the Bruce-Partington Plans, although I always hoped he would go abroad or have to sneak into a Prussian schloss or something. Which is why I have a pastiche pen in the first place!
I love the secret document ones best. Bit of a closet spy fan I think. My favourites are always things like The Naval Treaty and the Bruce-Partington Plans, although I always hoped he would go abroad or have to sneak into a Prussian schloss or something. Which is why I have a pastiche pen in the first place!
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 07:06 AM
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....there is much pipe smoking too. !
... yes, and drug use ... cocaine, morphine and Devil's Foot root!
TKR9, the Prussian Schloss thing ... good idea!
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 07:15 AM
Good point actually *Dives back into screenplay*
A fearsome Prussian Schloss, a dense pine forest and pounding waterfall, leaden clouds so low they obscure the far mountains... A lonely track winds through the trees and along it gallops a man upon a black horse, lying low over its neck, his black cape billowing in the wind...
Nice opening. Stuff the ballroom sequence...
A fearsome Prussian Schloss, a dense pine forest and pounding waterfall, leaden clouds so low they obscure the far mountains... A lonely track winds through the trees and along it gallops a man upon a black horse, lying low over its neck, his black cape billowing in the wind...
Nice opening. Stuff the ballroom sequence...
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 07:23 AM
Sounds good, TKR9, very good. *dream*
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 07:24 AM
QUOTE (Karla Milan @ Jul 1 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sounds good, TKR9, very good. *dream*
A swashbuckler film? Ahh, Basiiiiil ...
Wahh, I digress ...
A swashbuckler film? Ahh, Basiiiiil ...
Wahh, I digress ...
Ooooh yes, lots of swashbuckling...
Just as soon as I come up with one of them plot things... Really should shunt this into another thread, we're taking up story commonality air time...
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 11:34 AM
Count the "Violets" - the ladies named Violet, that is! That name must have been as popular in Victorian England as Jennifer & Jessica are in contemporary America!
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 11:42 AM
Women who...
A) are out in the country (SPEC, SOLI, COPP)
B ) are in creepy uncomfortable situations that have undertones of sexual abuse (bruises on the woman, a forced wedding, daughter locked away in an attic, etc)
C) rely on Holmes for help since they have no other protective male figure who will aid them
A) are out in the country (SPEC, SOLI, COPP)
B ) are in creepy uncomfortable situations that have undertones of sexual abuse (bruises on the woman, a forced wedding, daughter locked away in an attic, etc)
C) rely on Holmes for help since they have no other protective male figure who will aid them
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 12:09 PM
QUOTE (Lady Halle @ Jul 2 2009, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Women who...
A) are out in the country (SPEC, SOLI, COPP)
B ) are in creepy uncomfortable situations that have undertones of sexual abuse (bruises on the woman, a forced wedding, daughter locked away in an attic, etc)
C) rely on Holmes for help since they have no other protective male figure who will aid them
A) are out in the country (SPEC, SOLI, COPP)
B ) are in creepy uncomfortable situations that have undertones of sexual abuse (bruises on the woman, a forced wedding, daughter locked away in an attic, etc)
C) rely on Holmes for help since they have no other protective male figure who will aid them
And yet, the interesting thing is that in each of those three stories there were another man who could have been the protective male figure -
Mr. Percy Armitage in SPEC
Mr. Cyril Morton in SOLI
Mr. Fowler in COPP