[Iris Holmes]

Now, don´t get me wrong: I love the Granada series. But. You cannot deny, there are some errors in them. Our dear zinedinemoriaty already noticed the bridgeless violin, and, yesterday, as I was "recruiting" more Brettfans (showing the series to my friend - I may say my friend agreed that Brett is a handsome man, and she liked the eps, too), my friend noticed 2 things... (So, she has more observant powers than I do )

First, in NAVA:
The scene where Holmes gives his cigarette to Joseph Harrison. Pay close attention to the cigarette. When the camera is behind Holmes, the cigarette is just lit. When the direction changes, the cigarette end is burnt about an inch.

Second, in NORW:
The scene where H&W go to visit Mrs. McFarlane. We can actually see the microphone. Observe the upper edge after Holmes has said: "The fact remains that the will was made."

(And, of course, there are the strings in FINA )

All for now, your turn!

Iris,
mischievous

[Frankymole]

Iris Holmes, on Nov 5 2006, 05:44 PM, said:

Second, in NORW:
The scene where H&W go to visit Mrs. McFarlane. We can actually see the microphone. Observe the upper edge after Holmes has said: "The fact remains that the will was made."

(And, of course, there are the strings in FINA )

All for now, your turn!

Iris,
mischievous

There was a mistake here. The DVD shows the microphone, because it shows more on a PC/computer than a normal TV scan area. So many people confuse the "overscan" of a TV broadcast with what is visible on a monitor. I remember watching widescreen 1960s "Prisoner" footage with the inimitable Patrick McGoohan, where the fantasy "Village" was slightly spoilt by normal 20th-century cars etc on the edge of the screen - until I realised that we were seeing things that didn't appear on a normal TV screen - only in the cinema

[Elina]

Hmm, can't remember the exact episode but I made this cap about a year ago. It's supposed to be about the 1890's in the series, right?....but still:

Clearly a map from the 1980's!

[Frankymole]

Elina, on Nov 5 2006, 09:06 PM, said:

Hmm, can't remember the exact episode but I made this cap about a year ago. It's supposed to be about the 1890's in the series, right?....but still:

Elina, I love!!! Bloody brilliant!!!!

Superb, superb

Know all about Oesterreich-Ungarn empire, this is crazy and delightful

[Elina]

Frankymole, on Nov 5 2006, 11:07 PM, said:

Elina, I love!!! Bloody brilliant!!!!

Superb, superb

Know all about Oesterreich-Ungarn empire, this is crazy and delightful

Thank you, thank you.

It was naturally the independent Finland that caught my eye. And everyone here knows that Finland wasn't independent until 1917!!! (Or at least I hope so...if they don't, they're uneducated.)

[juliesnowe]

Elina, on Nov 5 2006, 10:10 PM, said:

Thank you, thank you.

It was naturally the independent Finland that caught my eye. And everyone here knows that Finland wasn't independent until 1917!!! (Or at least I hope so...if they don't, they're uneducated.)

Wow!! Lol,I would never have noticed that ..lol.fantastic!
One thing I did notice though is in the Six Napoleans episode.Watson and Lestrade are walking down the path after leaving the journalist's house and in the top right hand corner just before the camera cuts to Holmes there appears to be a parked car..lol.

[Frankymole]

juliesnowe, on Nov 5 2006, 09:25 PM, said:

Wow!! Lol,I would never have noticed that ..lol.fantastic!
One thing I did notice though is in the Six Napoleans episode.Watson and Lestrade are walking down the path after leaving the journalist's house and in the top right hand corner just before the camera cuts to Holmes there appears to be a parked car..lol.

There is one episode where Hardwicke and Brett are in a hansom (probably Second Stain or Bruce Partington Plans) and the road behind, visible through the hansom's rear window, had white lines in the centre - not seen in London until the 1920s!)

But for all these excusable production problems- they are still the best, most loving translations to screen.

[Elina]

Now I remember the episode of that screencap...it was the Abbey Grange, if I'm not mistaken.
They kept pointing that map several times to show the route of the ship from India where the lady met her murderer-sailor-hero-chum.
And I kept staring at the independent Finland, which was so distracting.

(And to be even more precise, that is a Finland after loosing parts of land in the war against the Soviet Union in 1945, it doesn't have Karelia or "the other arm" anymore...)

[Iris Holmes]

They just didn´t have a proper map.
And, Elina, these series were not made for us, originally. Maybe it was meant to be a joke... Soviet Union still existed when the series were filmed.

Iris,
happy

[Elina]

Iris Holmes, on Nov 6 2006, 12:27 AM, said:

They just didn´t have a proper map.
And, Elina, these series were not made for us, originally. Maybe it was meant to be a joke... Soviet Union still existed when the series were filmed.

Iris,
happy

Or maybe the boys working at the set were just lazy and took the first world map they found...

[Elizabeth]

Elina, on Nov 5 2006, 04:10 PM, said:

It was naturally the independent Finland that caught my eye. And everyone here knows that Finland wasn't independent until 1917!!! (Or at least I hope so...if they don't, they're uneducated.)

Reaches for Post-It note and ballpoint pen. Writes,
Finland . . . wasn't . . . independent . . . until . . . 1917.

Now I know.

It was clever to catch that map discrepancy and the other errors mentioned. And, Frankymole, I had had no idea there was more film than they showed on TV. Fascinating!

[Frankymole]

Elina, on Nov 5 2006, 10:04 PM, said:

Now I remember the episode of that screencap...it was the Abbey Grange, if I'm not mistaken.

Captain Croker, aha! Yes! Oliver Tobias....

[SolitaryRider]

Iris Holmes, on Nov 5 2006, 07:44 PM, said:

(So, she has more observant powers than I do )

Don't worry, dear Iris, I haven't noticed these either. Not even that independent Finland map
It could mean that we don't have the power of observation. ("You see, but you do not observe", SCAN)
Then again, it could mean that we have been too busy observing something else than props and backgrounds when we've watched the series
I'm thinking that the latter option is probable

But it is great that someone has seen these.

Elizabeth, on Nov 6 2006, 12:42 AM, said:

And, Frankymole, I had had no idea there was more film than they showed on TV. Fascinating!

This was new to me too.

[Reichenbach]

It's not really a mistake in the props, it's more just a camera cock-up...
Anyway, I have completely forgotten the episodes, but there are a few with some really dodgey lighting. And there's one where the camera stares at the celieing and you can only just see the heads of JB and EH before the camera man wakes up and suddenly zooms in very closeto the two talking! I could just imagine the direct off set walking up behind the camera man andgiving him a clip round the ear to get his act together!

Also, in a few publicity shots, I have noticed a few cast members that have forgotten to remove modern-day watches and they are visible just under the cuff of a shirt etc.

[Melinda]

I'm going to let our members in the UK help me with this one. I personally wear a British gold sovereign on a necklace in honor of the one Holmes was given by "The Woman" in Scandal in Bohemia. It appears to me however, that the coin they gave Jeremy to show to Watson wouldn't have been minted until some time AFTER the episode was supposed to have taken place. You will likely have to "freeze" the scene as I did, or perhaps make a screen cap. Let me know what you think.

The only coin I could get happens to be an 1896 minting with the "mourning Queen" on one side and St. George and the Dragon on the other side. Perhaps the prop dept. couldn't get the right one, or maybe Jeremy didn't supervise them that day. LOL

[Maud Bellamy]

It is as I have told my daughter numerous times: people see, but do not observe. Alas, I fall into that category too. I'll have to glue myself to the screen and watch all episodes in slow motion to notice any errors! Which is not at all a bad way to spend the day.....

[zinedinemoriarty]

Okay. This isn't really an error, but I thought I'd be an idiot and add something that bugs me.
In The Man With A Twisted Lip, Watson clearly leaves with Holmes in a hurry. As in, he doesn't even get to go back to Baker Street. He had no bag, no nothing. So how come, in the bedroom scenes, he has a nightshirt on? He didn't have time to get his pajamas! Unless they wore their pajamas underneath? UNLESS HE BORROWED HOLMES'S PAJAMAS?

Please reply. It's a worrying issue.
Or not.
I love you all. I'm a good mood. Threee exams down. Two to go.

[Frankymole]

zinedinemoriarty, on Nov 8 2006, 06:44 AM, said:

Okay. This isn't really an error, but I thought I'd be an idiot and add something that bugs me.
In The Man With A Twisted Lip, Watson clearly leaves with Holmes in a hurry. As in, he doesn't even get to go back to Baker Street. He had no bag, no nothing. So how come, in the bedroom scenes, he has a nightshirt on? He didn't have time to get his pajamas! Unless they wore their pajamas underneath? UNLESS HE BORROWED HOLMES'S PAJAMAS?

Please reply. It's a worrying issue.
Or not.
I love you all. I'm a good mood. Threee exams down. Two to go.

Perhaps it was one of Neville St. Clair's "spare" nightshirts? After all, they are guests in his household. And he himself was in a cell and not in need of one

Mucho congrats on weathering the exam storm!

[Iris Holmes]

zinedinemoriarty, on Nov 8 2006, 08:44 AM, said:

Okay. This isn't really an error, but I thought I'd be an idiot and add something that bugs me.
In The Man With A Twisted Lip, Watson clearly leaves with Holmes in a hurry. As in, he doesn't even get to go back to Baker Street. He had no bag, no nothing. So how come, in the bedroom scenes, he has a nightshirt on? He didn't have time to get his pajamas! Unless they wore their pajamas underneath? UNLESS HE BORROWED HOLMES'S PAJAMAS?

Please reply. It's a worrying issue.
Or not.
I love you all. I'm a good mood. Threee exams down. Two to go.

Ehe. Hehehehe. He.
Good point!

But, before the 19th century, all men and women wore a long shirt under their clothes. Of course, there were some clothes where it was a bit harder, the tights in 17th century, for example...
Yet I am quite sure that they wore long "undies" already at that time when the ep took place.
So, our dear Frankymole may be right, and I am quite sure he is.

I hope your exams went well.

Iris,
sincerely

[Reichenbach]

You see, I just assumed it was one of Neville St. Claire's because at the time, nothing else came to mind to explain it!

One thing I dislike about the series is the fact that they never show any of Watson's wives, they never even mention his marriage!